The Root of India-Pakistan Conflicts

Feb 11 2002  | Views 27774 |  Comments  (1177)
Any genuine attempt to address geopolitical problems must look deeper than examining merely the symptoms of conflict. This essay calls for a paradigm shift in the understanding of the root cause, without which attempts to resolve the 'Kashmir issue' shall fail, or at best bring temporary relief. It concludes by defining the 'hard question' that must be tackled by the world community... Expand

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  Sainiput posted 1 year ago

Only if the Indians who are worth their salt.
Drink from this stream of thought by 'default'.
India can fully overcome the onslaught.
And face the ugly storm like a rock. 



  Othena posted 2 yrs ago

A well researched article. It unfortunately only tells half the story i.e. that Pakistanis are drenched in their belief systems whatever its merits or demerits, through state sponsor, from the day they come into this world.

Identifying ‘root causes’ to anomalies in competing belief systems, will not lead to voluntary self corrections of offensive and combative dogmas, on the basis of enlightened ethical censure. That happens most often (if at all) at the personal level. Therefore while it is good to know what the ‘root causes’ are, there needs be the ‘power of might’ to confront what is inimical to the interests of a state. It is this ‘power of might’ that is missing in the Indian context owing to some grievious self inflicted constitutional foolishness.

Hindus in India (unlike their Pakistani counterparts) remain Hindus in the wider chaotic and polyglot sense -- from atheist, to nominal believers, to a very very few who have any understanding of the real dharma -- with the active abbetment of the Indian constitution that, actively thwarts imparting the cultural dimensions of Hinduism’s character through any state sponsored educational channel.

Secularism of the Indian kind turns out to be a very uncultural thing – there is no life in it, no passion and no conviction – a rather moribund, life sapping graft that has drained Hindu vitality of common identity. It operates much like a traffic light with some hardwired logic (provided the electricity is there) and ethics plays no role.

It should be no surprise therefore that Hindus are unable to rally against ethical-cultural issues that confront the nation and at best are left to fend only at the economic levels. Bereft of the ethics and culture, the popular consciousness is inexhorably led into the spiral of deceipt, corruption and such self serving concerns of survival of the fittest. The elephant Hindu can only trumpet piteously when confronted by a tiny foe. Witness the hydra of religious fundamentalism, minoritysm, casteism …

The only way out is to educate Hindus on their Hindu cultural identity. This is what is missing from the article.



  Ponniyin Selvan posted 2 yrs ago

Black Beak,

 you think I will fall for "taqiyah..".. :-)

I try to goto roots to find out the truth..  "Sayameva Jayate"

I think "taqiyah" is mostly a "Shia" term and using it generally for all Muslims is not advisable..

Read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyah
..In Shi'a Islamic tradition, Taqiyya (?????? - 'fear, guard against')[1] is the dispensation allowing Muslims to conceal their faith when under threat, persecution or compulsion. It is based on Qur'an 3:28 and 16:106 as well as hadith, tafsir literature, and juridical commentaries.[2]..




  Black Beak posted 2 yrs ago

I see your point and I agree with you partially.

Ponniyn  - BEWARE OF TAQIYYAH. The art of lying by jihadis.



  Salil posted 2 yrs ago


Ponniyin,

I see your point and I agree with you partially. While it's true that there always have been conflicts between Hindus and Muslims, Muslims are not exactly renowed for being open-minded and tolerant towards other religions which is quite evident from the happenings worldwide.

While the pakistani blogger maintained that Hyderabad massacre was a result of Hindus taking advantage of their majority, he was oblivious of the facts that Razakars did to the Hindu population during their rule, which I found on the web. Razakaars routinely persecuted the Hindu people not only in the Hyderabad state, but the surrounding Bombay and Madras states also. No wonder frustration and desire for renenge was bottling up in Hindus.





  Ponniyin Selvan posted 2 yrs ago

Salil,

Just tells me that you completely misunderstood the issue.
This massacre had nothing to do with Nizam and the actual war between Nizam's Razakars and Indian army. After the Hyderabad state was annexed to India (i.e. the Indian forces completed the operation Polo), majority Hindu community killed/raped, etc the minority Muslim community.


That period during independence/partition was a bloody one. Read this resignation letter from Jogendra Nath Mandal, the first law minister of Pakistan (a Dalit who believed in the secular BS of Jinnah). He later migrated (or rather pushed/hounded) back to India

http://www.bengalvoice.com/uproot_appendix1.htm
....

WOMEN FOR MILITARY

13.  The atrocities perpetrated by the police and the military on the innocent Hindus, especially the Scheduled Castes of Habibgarh in the District of Sylhet deserve description.  Innocent  men and women were brutally tortured, some women ravished, their houses raided and properties looted by the police and the local Muslims.  Military pickets were posted in the area. The  military not only oppressed these people and took away stuff forcibly from Hindu houses, but also forced Hindus to send their  women-folk at night to the camp to satisfy the carnal desires of  the military. This fact also I brought to your notice. You assured me of a report on the matter, but unfortunately no report was forthcoming.
.....

It explains how Hindus (esp Dalits) were treated in East Pakistan by the majority Muslims.. All the atrocities you claim appears true, just that "majority" and "minority" differs And this is not a wikipedia entry that can be edited by anonymous users..

It is pretty much a standard in those "communally" charged times. So what's new?.



  Salil posted 2 yrs ago

Ponniyin Selvan,


"About Hyderabad, I think the action taken was quite right.. You had this nawab/sultan who was the richest person of the world around that time while all his people are in beggar like conditions and I'd have supported any action. I just could not imagine why they waited till Sep 1948 when they could have done this in August 47.."


Just tells me that you completely misunderstood the issue.
This massacre had nothing to do with Nizam and the actual war between Nizam's Razakars and Indian army. After the Hyderabad state was annexed to India (i.e. the Indian forces completed the operation Polo), majority Hindu community killed/raped, etc the minority Muslim community.






  Ponniyin Selvan posted 2 yrs ago

Salil,

You can evade the facts by concentrating on one mistake in that person't article OR you can choose to do your own finding and embrace the facts of Hyderabad massacre.
My point was: however we try to claim how communal the idea behind formation of Pakistan was, the truth is the two communities indeed had problems between each other. The hate is quite palpable from the comments on this article and in general the comments any article gets that talks about religion, etc.


Facts... yeah right.. The problem is I do know quite a lot of facts.. I try to learn from reading through all perspectives, cutting the BS and getting the facts.. Yeah it is true that the communities have a lot of problems.. But Muslims have problems wherever they are.. When Vajpayee said this, I thought what a communalist he was.. But Alas he is quite right.. Muslims have trouble with Hindus/Christians/Jews/Buddists/Atheists..etc..etc.. Is that new??.

About Hyderabad, I think the action taken was quite right.. You had this nawab/sultan who was the richest person of the world around that time while all his people are in beggar like conditions and I'd have supported any action. I just could not imagine why they waited till Sep 1948 when they could have done this in August 47..



  Salil posted 2 yrs ago

To Ponniyin Selvan,


You can evade the facts by concentrating on one mistake in that person't article OR you can choose to do your own finding and embrace the facts of Hyderabad massacre.

My point was: however we try to claim how communal the idea behind formation of Pakistan was, the truth is the two communities indeed had problems between each other. The hate is quite palpable from the comments on this article and in general the comments any article gets that talks about religion, etc.



To Black Beak,

Grow up.



  Ponniyin Selvan posted 2 yrs ago

From Salil's paktribune reference, I get the following pearl of wisdom

It's an un-deniable historical reality that in Hyderabad alone upwards of 100,000 Muslims were slaughtered in one day on the order of Sardar Patel, who eventually became the interior minister in the first cabinet of peace loving Jawahar lal nehroo. All this was done on the watch of Mr. Gandhi, the epitome and symbol of non-violence.

The writer does not even know that  Gandhi died in Jan 1948, and the supposed operation took place in Sep. 1948. Don't know if he meant Gandhi watched it from heaven.. :-)

I find www.faithfreedom.org to be a reliable site. They just quote from the supposed "holy documents".. I find their arguments reasonable and rational..





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