Hinduism in American Classrooms

Mar 18 2002  | Views 14953 |  Comments  (429)
...as a teacher he has important things to say about the way schools portray India and its traditions. Second, as he identifies himself as a Hindu, his insights may also reflect the views of many 'Euro-American Hindus', i.e. the over 15 million Americans who now practice Hindu activities, such as yoga, meditation, and kirtan, amongst others... Expand

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  Ed Viswanathan posted 6 yrs ago

CASTE SYSTEM—Blessing or Curse? Since childhood, I am always tormented by the word CASTE and caste system. CASTE is a throbbing question in me. Why a culture so tolerant, backing a deplorable divion of the society. With hundreds of thousands of DALITS [refer to INDIA WEST November 9,2001--page A22] converting to Buddhism last month and millions in India are converting to Islam and Christianity, we have to ask this proverbial question, IS A CASTE A BLESSING OR CURSE?? Is Caste System helping us or destroying us as a society and culture???? True, some one can quote different verses from scriptures [Rig Veda, Manu smriti] and defend it, but as far as I am concerned, CASTE SYSTEM HAS CREATED MULTITUDES OF PROBLEMS IN HINDU SOCIETY. It has destroyed the beautiful fabric of Hinduism. It created demons like "BRAHMINISM" and DEVADASI SYSTEM" . Amazing that , in the name of caste, our society STILL forbids [socially] Namboodiris marrying any lower castes; Wariers marrying Nairs and Nairs marrying Theyas. In the name of age old caste system, society ill-treated and still ill-treating millions in North India. May be once upon a time, Caste system may be helpful for the proper function of the society, but today it should be abolished from the MIND OF THE MAN for ever. Let me boldly state that, if I WAS BORN AS AN UNTOUCHABLE, I will have no LOVE AFFAIR with Hinduism and will put down Hinduism, when ever I get a chance and will become a Buddhist or a Christian. Why should I stay in a religion or a culture or in a society, WHERE I AM TREATED AS A SECOND CLASS DEVOTEE?????? Caste system is creating a very big barrier for RE-CONVERSION OF HINDUS WHO LEFT HINDUISM FOR GENERATIONS back into Hindu fold. Many Christians have openly expressed their desire to convert to Hinduism in their e-mails to me.... MY QUESTION IS----Why should a Christian or a Moslem want to convert into a culture or religion where he/she will be ill-treated as a lower caste??? We are at the dawn of the 21st century and we have to seriously think about these issues. Every culture has the GOOD, the BAD and the UGLY things in it. As far as I am concerned, in the interest of the proper growth of Hindu culture, we have give up on caste system entirely, exactly Christians gave up on slavery, even though SLAVERY IS AN ACCEPTED FACT [Col. 4:11, Exodus 21:21; 1: Lev. XXV:44- 55; Thessalonians 3:22 ] in the Holy Bible. Christians gave upon slavery, even though Biblical passages were used by over 200 preachers to justify slavery before the Civil War. Of course, in Hindu scriptures there is no slavery at all. THERE IS NO SCRIPTURAL STATEMENT THAT A PART OF THE POPULATION SHOULD BE HUMILIATED AND ILL-TREATED...Still CASTE SYSTEM INDEED BECAME A CURSE ON HINDUISM--- A DISGRACE TO HINDUISM. UNTOUCHABILITY IS A CURSE ON HINDUISM. One great untouchable who became a prominent leader of modern India, Mr. Ambedker wrote: TO THE UNTOUCHABLES, HINDUISM IS A VERITABLE CHAMBER OF HORRORS. Mahathma Gandhi said: UNTOUCHABILITY IS A CRIME AGAINST GOD AND MEN. Mahatma Gandhi called UNTOUCHABLES by the name HARIJANS meaning CHILDREN OF GOD. He fought for their emancipation and in 1949, soon after independence from Britain, Govt. of India made it a criminal offense to practice UNTOUCHABILITY. Still in many parts of India, you can come across the ugly relics of caste system. I am so happy, today Govt. of India provides quota system for Untouchables, in all professional colleges, and in Government jobs. There is nothing in Hinduism as complex as CASTE SYSTEM. It emerged as a part of division of labor among people...THERE IS NO STATEMENT IN THE ENTIRE HINDU SCRIPTURES TO ILL-TREAT LOWER CASTES----THERE IS NO WORD UNTOUCHABLE IN THE ENTIRE HINDU SCRIPTURES. Still caste system degenerated in India. It is indeed the GREATEST CURSE on Hinduism. Once upon a time, India had 3,000 castes and 25,000 sub-castes. Even there were 1,800 Brahmin castes in India. What a shame!! Even different Brahmin castes did not mingle themselves socially or otherwise, in ancient times. Last of all, ancient India, persecuted a large group of people called UNTOUCHABLES. Mahatma Gandhi said: UNTOUCHABILITY IS A CRIME AGAINST GOD AND MEN. Ambedkar once wrote out of his own experience, TO THE UNTOUCHABLES, HINDUISM IS A VERITABLE CHAMBER OF HORRORS". amiahindu.com



The original reservation was only for Dalits and Tribals for 10 years only. Then vote bank seekers added OBCs to the list. For example: 1. In Andhra, there is a very powerful caste called Reddy which were former royal family. There used to be Reddy kingdoms The Reddys got themselves classified as OBC. 2. In Tamil Nadu, the Thevars , same caste as Chola emperors are classified as OBC. 3. In Karnataka, the former ruling caste Urs, got classified as a OBC. In south India, the reservations have reached 70% and everyone except brahmins is classified as OBC. One of the interesting things about south India is that everyone except the brahmins are OBC or Dalit. The brahmins were too weak to resist Mandalisation. For a few decades it was like release of energy for the OBCs. Then they sanskritised themselves rapidly and eventually are becoming staunch hindus. The Mandal problem was endured in 1960 time frame in south India and has been worked out now. The former OBC are now Upper Caste. Even Dalits are undergoing sanskritisation. Overall the quality of administration is better in south India than in north India even though south India has 70% reservation A word of advice to north Indian hindus: Reservations are inevitable and resistance is futile. The only thing to do is to ensure that poorer members of the forward castes get reservations And make sure that muslims dont get reservation. By resisting Mandal, muslims get a foothold. Mandal is a wonderful tool for muslims to use. 'Unity against Upper caste brahminical oppression' etc was used by the Dravidian movement, which even supported Jinnah. Periyar classified muslims and Xtians as Dravidians The other word of advice is to liberalise the economy so that reservations become unimportant. A growing free market economy can be more lucrative than a reservation as south Indian brahmins have discovered. Finally start more intercaste marraiges so that caste goes away Gopalakrishnan Subramaniam



  :) = :) = nondualist posted 6 yrs ago

even kamala-meena is part of us. but i must confess its easier to say this when her dripping stops - even temporarily.



  Dave = kamala = meena posted 6 yrs ago

:)



  pragmatist posted 6 yrs ago

Kamala-Meena is so lofty above the clouds in her own reality that she is beyond anyone's ability to reach. So why are people bothered - nay, desperate - to deal with her. What kind of insecurity do such persons have? There are too many people more deserving of attention than this racist disguised as humanist. Considering "white" or European Hindus as less deserving of being Hindus, is the most undharmic thing she has said here. By reducing dharma into ethnicity, she has shown a reprehensible side behind this mask.



  Dave to #390 and others posted 6 yrs ago

Thanks to those who have said some kind words in response to the interview. I have previously posted some replies to those who have asked for clarification. As for those who refuse to read and think carefully, there is not much I can do. As for those who choose to attack me personally without knowing a thing about me - well, I think this says more about them than about me. I refuse to respond in kind to this kind of thing. I wish everyone the best and hope we can continue to have respectful and fruitful dialogue, agreeing when we can and honorably disagreeing when we can't. Dave



  Kameena posted 6 yrs ago

Did anybody disagree with you that caste is not prevalent in India? Is'nt the main argument here that caste is not a 'religious' essence of Hinduism? Educate me Meena. I am confident that you have studied our religion deeply enough to quote the scriptures directly to prove your point.



  Kameena posted 6 yrs ago

How do you know so much about Dave, Meena? I was not aware that you knew him personally. What is your solution to poverty, Meena?



  Prof. Sharma is incomplete posted 6 yrs ago

Even Sharma does not have the whole truth. Kamala-Meena is the highest caste. For, only she knows it all, can say anything with impunity. ANYTHING by anyone else must be false if she so declater. She has no need to give any logic or evidence or basis for whatever outlandish comments she has. Her opinion is the gold standard. She reads little because she knows everything already and all experts and authorities are wrong, anyway. When she goes into a fit of lunacy (about once per hour at least), we are to put up her. So she is the highest case, even higher than Shudras.



  Prof. Arvind Sharma on Shudras posted 6 yrs ago

Perspectives from the Indic Religious Traditions By Arvind Sharma McGill University Is the Shudra Varna the lowest Varna According to Hindu Scriptures? I By almost all accounts, the Shudra Varna is regarded as the lowest on the totem pole of caste. The following statement of A.L. Basham may be considered typical in this respect : The new myth of Purusha, the primal man or person, marks another stage in the development of Hindu thought. Parallel with the growth in cosmic speculation and with new concepts of the evolution of the universe by a natural process, as reflected in the Hymn of the Creation, emerged another tendency, placing great emphasis on sacrifice. The Purusha Sukta represents the triumph of a sort of sacrificial mysticism. The universe was created not out of the body of a primeval monster slain in battle, nor, as in the Hymn of the Golden Embryo, by the bursting of a primeval egg floating in the ocean of chaos, not by a mighty process, almost indescribable in words, as in the Hymn of Creation, but by a sacrifice. The conclusions drawn from these premises are significant.[1] He goes onto say: Among the entities produced from the gigantic victim were the four estates of the Hindu social order. This is the first appearance of the four, brought together in a single system. Since the four classes are numbered with cattle, horses, and sheep as products of the body of the giant, it is clear that they are already thought of as separate, and no amount of special pleading by a few scholars can controvert the obvious fact that they are ranged in hierarchical order. From the head of the Purusha came the brahman, the intermediary between gods and humans, and thanks to his knowledge of sacrificial ritual, he keeps the world going. From the arms came the raajanya, later called kshatriya, the warrior and ruler; the trunk of the victim yielded the vaishya, the peasant and craftsman; while from the feet, the humblest and lowest of the limbs, was made the Shudra, the non-Aryan serf who had gradually drawn closer to his masters and more and more accepted their mythology and ritual, until he achieved a position, albeit a very subordinate one, in the Aryan social order. [2] II The implication of another account of the origin of varnas, found in the Satapatha Brahmana and the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad has been virtually gone unnoticed in this context. It goes as follows: 11. Verily, in the beginning this (world) was Brahman, one only. That, being one, did not flourish. He created further an excellent form, the Kshatra power, even those who are Kshatras (rulers) among the gods, Indra, Varuna, Soma (Moon), Rudra, Parjanya, Yama, Mrtyu (Death), Isana. Therefore there is nothing higher than Kshatra. Therefore at the Raajasuya sacrifice the Brahmana sits below the Kshatriya. On Kshatrahood alone does he confer this honour. But the Brahmana is nevertheless the source of the Kshatra. Therefore, even if the king attains supremacy at the end of it, he resorts to the Brahmana as his source. Therefore he who injures the Brahmana strikes at his own source. He becomes more evil as he injures one who is superior. 12. Yet he did not flourish. He created the vis (the commonality), these classes of gods who are designated in groups, the Vasus, Rudras, Aadityas, Visvedevas and Maruts. 13. He did not still flourish. He created the Shudra order, as Pusan. Verily, this (earth) is Pusan (the nourisher), for she nourishes everything that is. 14. Yet he did not flourish. He created further an excellent form, justice. This is the power of the Kshatriya class, viz. justice. Therefore there is nothing higher than justice. So a weak man hopes (to defeat) a strong man by means of justice as one does through a king. Verily, that which is justice is truth. Therefore they say of a man who speaks the truth, he speaks justice or of a man who speaks justice that he speaks the truth. Verily, both these are the same.[3] In this account, as in all others, the Shudra varna comes at the end and in this respect there is no surprise. It could indeed be argued that whether we accept the view that the four varnas came simultaneously into being, as the Purusha Sukta seems to imply; or came into being successively, as the present account indicates, the fate of the Shudra remains unaffected by any variation in the process - he is the last in the order. The account in the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad, however, displays a feature which must be remarked and investigated further. It consists of the fact that at each step in the process there is a failure to flourish (naiva vyabhavat), which leads to the creation of the next varna, sometimes qualified by the expression ÷shreyo roopam, translated by S. Radhakrishnan as "excellent form" and by Robert Ernest Hume as "superior form". Note that the word SHREYAS repr represents the form assiciated with the the comparative degree, as in the sequence: PRASHASYA --- SHREYAS ----- SHRESTHA as in good -------- BETTER -------best This means that Hume's translation of "superior form" is closer to the mark, as it incorporates the idea of something being better than the one it is being compared to or preceded by. By this logic, then, the fact that the SHUDRA is mentioned last would make it the "best" of the four varnas! ( The chain of comparison, incidentally, does not end here but with the appearance of DHARMA, after which the required flourishing takes place.) Contrary to the popular notion, then, that the Shudra, is invariably assigned the lowest position in the order of the varnas, in this case it seems to have been assigned the highest. And this in an Upanishad as important as the Brhadaranyaka. [1] A.L. Basham, The Origins and Development of Classical Hinduism (ed. Kenneth G. Zysk. Boston: Beacon Press, 1989) p. 25 [2] Ibid. p. 25-26 [3] S. Radhakrishnan, ed., The Principal Upanisads (Atlantic Highlands, NJ: Humanities Press, 1996 [first published 1953]) p. 169-170





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