The Westernized side of my background

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  kaveriyamma posted 11 mnths ago

Jyotsna
 
I agree with you. Well understood birth religion is like a second skin; you know its purpose only when you bleed.
 
I think this an old blog from Rajiv. Today there are many well run temples, atleast in USA, that give immense emotional support to Indians living and settling down in foreign lands. Such temples are run by dedicated professionals, not power seekers or politicians. Role of such temples is to cater to needs of people who need to keep in touch with their birth religion in foreign lands. Rajiv may be referring to Temples or pseudo-Swamis in India who may not be doing their bit to help local people there.



  jyotsna solanki posted 11 mnths ago

Religion encourages you in hardship with its good teachings.
 
jyotsna solanki



  CVRajan posted 11 mnths ago

 

Dear Rajiv Malhotra,

 

You may be surprised to receive a comment after such a long period of passage from the date of your posting the blog. The reason simply is that I am a new comer to Blogging. I would like to exchange some of my views on the points raised by you in your blog.

 

Every religion has several  faces:

 

1)      RELIGION FOR THE MASSES: It comprises of Blind faiths, Rituals, and some  fundamental religious disciplines to follow. There is not much of a need for scriptural knowledge to this category. For them God is the Giver, The Protector and the Destroyer. They need God’s support for their happy well-being, in the enjoyment of worldly pleasures and in the alleviation of worldly pains.

The temples in USA that you have mentioned about and those who run them belong to this category.

 

2)      RELIGION FOR THE FANATICS: Well you know very well what they are and who they are! I don’t think you will be interested in getting any assistance from them.

 

3)      RELIGION FOR THE INTELLECTS: The scriptures are for them, they would like to study them, argue about them, find conflicting meanings to the Same Words and Phrases, establish different kinds of schools of philosophy and fight about their superiority. They are least interested in putting the theory they are familiar with into practice. They have no need for God. They

 

You seem to think that it is such an intellectual understanding of the religion that is very important for interaction with the advanced ‘scientific and intellectual’ western World.

 

4)      RELIGION FOR THE EARNEST SEEKERS: These are the true seekers after the Supreme truth. They have gone through the pleasures and pains of the Worldly life (either in this birth or across several previous births and possess the accumulated ‘vasanas’) and by the strength of their experience, they are convinced of the impermanence of the World and about the existence of a Supreme Power. They know and they believe that by knowing THAT, all their doubts will vanish and all their sufferings will end.

 

In this group, there are again people with different mentalities, different tastes, and different capacity of assimilation. Some are extremely emotional and they go in their quest in the path of Bhakti (Bhakti Yoga). Some are intellectuals, who go by the path of Self Inquiry or by the contemplation of scriptures (Gnyana Yoga).

 

Like wise there are people who follow Raja Yoga (path of disciplined physical and spiritual Sadhanas) and Karma Yoga (the Path of selfless service to the society with the firm conviction that it is God who resides in every form of living being ). Again there may be mixture of these mentalities in different degrees. It means that almost all of the various facets of religion (including rituals, formal worship, singing of Gods’ Glory ..)  which the intellectuals abhor are very much useful to them and the truth is that all these are actually meant to guide them to a higher plane in proper steps and none of them are really meant to be dismissed as totally useless.

 

Thus depending on their temperaments, these seekers may practice Rituals, sing hymns, do spiritual exercises, read Scriptures and so on. If they read scriptures, it will more for getting insight rather than to seek intellectual ego-satisfaction out of them. It is more for putting the theory into practice rather than for equipping themselves to preach and teach others or to enter into argument with others.

 

People of these categories look for help from God, they pray in all earnestness seeking proper guidance and the guidance comes to them in the form of Gurus/ Satgurus/ Avatars.

 

It should be noted that for an aspirant following the Path of Bakthi, scriptures will be of no use. By the strength of his deepest devotion, he may realize the supreme truth, without reading a single line of scriptures!

 

5)      RELIGION OF THE MASTERS: God realized souls, Avatars, True Gnyanis, True Yogis, Paramahamsas, Mahatmas fall into this category. They are here for the sake of true seekers. They are here to guide the Seeker in a path most suited to his temperament. They are here to establish a balance amidst the conflicts of the earth. Incidentally, by virtue of their all pervading love, they help out the worldly people too, by removing their pains, by giving them their boons and by subduing the trouble-makers. Their words and deeds become standing examples of what the scriptures teach. They are the ones who can say by the authority of their personal experience that what the scriptures say are indeed true.

 

If you are eager to get meaningful support to your philanthropic activates in which you are engaged, it is this category of Mahatmas that you have to go and surrender. It is their blessings and divine guidance that you have to seek.  More than that, if you are a true seeker yourself, then it is all the more important that you surrender to such a Satguru, by placing at his feet your accumulated ego as the Guru Dhakshina.

 

The Swamis of India about whom you seem to have developed a dislike may not fall into the last category. They may perhaps be at previous categories and may not be anyway better off than yourself !

 

If you want me to name one person who can help you – in all probability, with your spiritual moorings you would perhaps already know – it is Mata Amritanandamayi.

 

In the worst case where you have not developed faith in any living Mahatmas, I suggest you to read, re-read and re-re-read “The Gospel Of  Sri Ramakrishna” (in case you have not done already). MOST OF THE IDEAS I HAVE GATHERED AND PRESENTED ABOVE ARE ACTUALLY GOT FROM SRI RAMAKRISHNA and definitely not my originals!

 

For an earnest seeker, who has fairly studied scriptures and whose problems are mostly lying with his attachment to worldliness and attachment to his over-bloated ego (like myself), the eye-opener is available in “The Gospel Of SriRamakrishna”.
 

 

Please try.

 

With best regards,

 

CVRAJAN
PS:
I have also posted the contents of this letter as a Blog "Different Facets of Religion"
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



  Platonist posted 4 yrs ago

Flaws in Rajiv Malhotra's article on Evangelical Schooling

The above weblog which was written in response to Rajiv Malhotra's web log "The Westernized side of my Background" can be found in following link:


http://www.sulekha.com/weblogs/weblogdesc.asp?cid=13497

Thanks

Platonist



  forindia posted 4 yrs ago

Because most of the peoples have all ready made the decision to stop the posting of thier posts in the present matter, me decided to post one post for the last time only.

So me focussing on the venerated jesudas thomas bro's last but not the least comment. Here me go:

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First of all, Me giving the following notification not only to the one but also to the all:

"Me aint know good at bolding the letters; me aint no into soft ware or hard ware!. So me can not bold the 'jesus' word"

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Thomas bro,

You say that the all mighty jesus inspired you to support the truth coming from which ever source, to love and help the poor regardless of the religion in every part of the world, to support hindu brothers and sistars.

Very interesting bro. Good good, two good.

Among the above information, what is mistifying to me is that the fact that the Jesus has inspired you to support the hindu brothers and the sistars.

How and where and in what way?? Me asking the kochen you only.

But the fundamental and the most important thing is this:

----Did not the Jesus inspire you to ask your fellow evangelists not to convert hindus/ buddhists etc into the christianity by telling the lies, ridiculing their beliefs, their rituals?? Mistifying to the core!!

----Did not the Jesus inspire you to ask your fellow evangelists not to go door to door and ditribute papers, etc etc and say " only Jesus heals"
( Me asking this kochen only becasue my only sister was recently approached by the evangelist wearing the white bag in his right shoulder and frightening my sister that if she no convert to christianity, satan will create troubles to her in her exams. And also bad mouthing my sister's religion)


Truely mistifying bro!! --the Jesus inspires you to love everybody but not inspires to ask your fellow evangelists not to inter fear with the other religions.

If the inspiration is indeed true, then can we not call the Jesus a shelfish man?? Me again asking the kochen you only.

Very troubling kochens know bro?? Indeed. Hypocracy to the core. Me say.

Some peoples say: "lies, damn lies, statistics"

No, no. Those peoples are wrong to the core.

The write one is the following:

" lies, damn lies, christians"

Amen.

PS: Me aint know intention to hurt you physically or mentally. Me asked the kochens only to inspire you to think. If you feel the kochens have offended you, me asking to pardon me like the jesus christ before the hand only.

Thanking to you and worm rigards




  Jesudas Thomas posted 4 yrs ago

The problem with my Hindu buddies is apathy and not that they are overactive. The CNN petition spread awareness and many persons tell me that it was responsible for them to land on Sulekha and start overcoming their apathy and the all-is-well attitude. Whether it changed CNN or not, it changed thousands of desi bhais.

It inspired what Jesus already inspired me to do, that is support the truth coming from whichever source. Just as Jesus inspires me to love and help the poor regardless of their religion in every part of the world, so also he inspires me to support my Hindu brothers and sisters when they are being unfairly portrayed. I detest any attempts to mock at Ganesha's imagery and you have to admit that I am being better to Hinduism than your very own Vedantamized people, and also far more realistic and pragmatic than the infighters/whiners withing your own ranks.



  realhindu posted 4 yrs ago

This is the ultimate saga of beating the dead horse.

Guys, wake up!!!

This is not post 9/11 scenario where everyone was charged up to sign for a petition against CNN. This whole petition saga against Washington Post is bound to fail, dont be in any illusion that it will reach another 60K in 60 days. And even the CNN petition did little to improve India's portrayal there.

The massive task of spreading the awareness is already done by dozens of sulekha columns.

The next logical step should be to help groom our own home teams of journalists and academicians who can project the India Inc.

How long will we continue to beat the dead horses of petitions and other silly endless arguments and rebuttals.



  ProudHindu92 posted 4 yrs ago

Jesudas,
I saw your comment about lack of leadership and result-orientation in Hindus.

I 100% agree with your observation.

And I 100% agree with your comment about unimportance of temples.

And I quite agree with your remark about me.
But my intention was a bit different. I am highly appreciative of Rajiv's work. However, even Rajiv himself said that cause is more important than individuals. And cause can be better served if more and more people are awakened and motived to join the cause. 100s of Rajiv meant the simple thing that awareness should be created so that more people can join the cause.

I agree that its as much my responsibility as Rajiv's. I am not demanding anything more from Rajiv ; his contribution is already immense.



  Emory Student posted 4 yrs ago

"ha" gunye,

"Flawed" means devoid of truth, so other than your playing with words (and besides yourself) you have yet to utter much sense. The point is the same: you cannot simply claim a purva-paksha (or any proposition for that matter) is flawed w/o rhyme or reason, unless, of course, you are irrational and thats what postmodernism has provided you as a way to feel self esteem. You seem to agree that there is no sense in what you write. So why waste everyone's time. Go to the poetry section or jokes or coffeehouse.



  sanjay garg posted 4 yrs ago

Some of you may recall from last week that the Hindu American Foundation was about to post a petition against Washington Post’s Hindu Phobia on Sulekha. This petition was then announced on RBC radio in the TriState area over the past weekend. Given that numerous people may be looking for the petition & wondering why it has still not appeared on Sulekha, it is important to clarify the reason for the delay. Sulekha has had second thoughts and have declined to post the petition at Sulekha. The reason for the refusal is

 

“because there have been numerous instances where people think Sulekha is pushing and advocating the petition. We are particularly wary of being seen as taking sides on such senstive matters related to religion. Publishing articles, particularly from both points of view, is seen as being neutral, running a petition will be deemed as advocating a particular point.”

 

To be fair, Sulekha has agreed to provide a link from Sulekha to the site where the petition will be soon be appearing. Please do keep coming back to Sulekha to find the link to the petition.






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