Since this matter keeps getting raised by some very narrow-minded Hindus in the middle of any and every kind of column, here is what I have to say:
My upbringing in family, my education, my professional circles and my social circles have been and shall remain a combination of both Indian and Western influences. I deny neither and I am glad to have the gift of both. I synthesize them into a coherent worldview which I am happy with.
This is consistent with the globalization era and with the reality of my educational (=Western) and spiritual (=Indian) experiences that are a part of me. So it’s also a pragmatic matter of accepting what is a given.
To make matters more complex for the narrow-minded persons here, I have worshipped in every major religion of the world, have dear friends in each, have read their spiritual books, and have had numerous brainstorms with theologians in each in the spirit of learning. Furthermore, I intend to continue these practices.
My own sadhana is adhyatmika centric, and is neither history centric nor ritual centric. But I respect both those and also harmonize theme into my own views, while focusing my sadhana on the adhyatmika. I learnt a lot from Hindu, Buddhist and Sikh sources and practices. I was also influenced as a child by a sufi. I have gained a lot from some Christian mystics who I came in contact with years ago.
We have an ancient Indian tradition of engaging the ‘other’ using a technique called purva-paksha. This means you must first study the other’s viewpoint very seriously and become an expert in it. Only then can you debate against it.
But today, I cannot find swamis who know the western ‘other’ well enough to be able to do purva-paksha of western thought. This is why their followers are lost, confused about identity and unable to effectively respond to the dominant culture. In the past in India, the ‘other’ would have been Buddhist, Jaina, Nyaya, Mimamsika, Vedantin, etc. and each had to be studied, but for today the ‘other’ is typically western dominated culture that must be studied.
To understand western thought one must master its three main branches: Christianity, Enlightenment, and Post-Enlightenment. Most Hindu preachers admit that their education did not include any of these. (Some do it as a matter of great pride.) So they lack a purva-paksha of the ‘other’ that matters so much in today’s global culture. Hence, by the methods of our own tradition, they are unqualified to be able to debate in the mainstream, and they are the blind leading their followers – the result is today’s catastrophes facing Hindus.
On the other hand, the west has invested serious resources to study Indian culture and thought rather than ignoring it. RISA is merely one example to prove my point. This started with the Jesuit College about 500 years ago that translated Sanskrit works into Latin (including many in science/mathematics still not declassified by the Vatican). Later it became more sophisticated Indology in 19th century: EVERY major European university had Sanskrit text studies as a large department. Today this is done not by the British Empire but mainly by the US Government, the churches, and various US private foundations funded by MNCs wealth. Today’s South Asian Studies replaces colonial Indology as the west’s purva-paksha of Indian thought and culture.
This means the west has extracted knowledge from Indic sources and developed sophisticated positions about us. In many cases, the most qualified scholar available in a university about some Indian text or tradition is a westerner. That most swamis and their followers do not even know this state of affairs shows how out of touch they are with world.
So rather than attacking me for my background, one might also see in it a rare ability to do purva-paksha of the west from the Indian perspective: I have invested most of my time since the mid 1990s to study all three strains of western thought from works of serious thinkers. Rather than this being a handicap, it is what enables me to debate the ‘other’ with authority and confidence.
Just as a team needs specialists of many kinds and not all members with the same specialty, the Indian Enlightenment Project needs both the St. Stephens graduate and the DAV graduate, not either/or. So why is Platonist so insecure with a sense of inferiority complex? Is it his lack of knowledge of his own tradition that makes him fear that he will be swept off by the winds of western influences?
Furthermore, how is his mentality different than that of fundamentalist Islamists? His comments are evidence that Hindu fundamentalism does exist as a serious menace today.
What this narrow mentality has produced is 800 Hindu temples in North America at a cost of about $2 billion, but lacking in intellectual content in most of them. They come across to the NRI youth as voodoo centers, doing some exotic ritual with no meaning. The pandits are ill-trained for 21st century discourse, many cannot communicate for nuts. Any sincere visitor who wants to appreciate Hinduism would be well advised to stay away from them, and instead to spend quality time with someone knowledge in discussions first. Hindu temples have failed to project Hindu culture to mainstream society. Proof: in all these controversies we have been engaged here on Sulekha, the temple-wallahs are lost, disinterested, and ignorant. They have failed to educate our own youth in ways that would equip them to face the issues with confidence and not to run from Hindu identity as being shameful.
They have failed because of the mentality exemplified by Platonist and others like him.
Many swamis told me point blank that they are disinterested in teaching about the sociopolitical realm as they find it irrelevant or even un-Hindu-like. While I respect that (especially since my sadhana is adhyatmika), I point out to them that Krishna’s teachings were in the kshetra (i.e. theater) and not in the clouds. The Avatar enters the theater of mundane life to teach how to live in the mundane kshetra.
So today’s teachings must be for today’s kshetra, which happens to be western dominated. Krishna starts with a SWOT analysis (SWOT means Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats) of both sides of the war, when he explains to Arjuna the capabilities of each of the main participants. This is called competitive analysis, an example of having knowledge of the kshetra – a very practical thing. No swami has yet been able to give a rejoinder to me than would show teachings to live in the modern kshetra (based on purva-paksha) to be improper or un-Hindu.
So far I have made two points above for being a successful Hindu today: Do purva-paksha of the west, and teach/practice in accordance with the modern kshetra.
My next question is: Should we go back in the past and try to recreate the past, or should we advance into the future? Unfortunately, most Hindus and anti-Hindus don’t understand our tradition in this regard. It is falsely viewed that these are mutually exclusive options, namely, that one must be either orthodox living in Vedic times or one must be a “progressive” person who has rejected the past.
Abrahamic religions are based on discontinuous changes, each caused by a new prophetic revelation that overruled the past and so they had to reject prior knowledge. Hence, they have this mutually exclusive choice-making forced upon them. Indian secularists brought this idea into India and most orthodox Hindus (lacking in proper purva-paksha of the west) simple accepted this way of thinking. So we have fights between Indian orthodoxy and progressives. Both are wrong.
Indian traditions give you a combination: Change is not discontinuous but the new gets assimilated into the framework already in place. Notice how internet, computers, satellites, etc are being assimilated into Hindu culture. Notice how orthodox Islam is threatened by all this, and hence all its clashes with modernity. Hinduism is not anti-modernity. There was never a Shankaracharya who denounced scientific inquiry or progress, and hence the 200 years of wars between medieval Christianity and science were simply unnecessary in India.
Sampradaya is a river that flows. It is neither a static pond (fixed in the past) nor a waterfall with discontinuities (“progressives’ idea of advancement). It is both: the same as the past (in terms of overall categories) and new (in terms of content).
Western religion fixed its followers in the past until a new prophet would come to give them new instructions. Western science gave the people on-going change, but with no reference point to their past. So even today they are busy reconciling “science and religion,” whereas Indian culture never had this problem to begin with.
This is all because of the difference between history-centric religions and a-historical (Sanatana) dharma.
So I ask the reader, which is better for Hinduism’s future: my Indian-Western combined background rooted in an Indian framework, or Platonist’s DAV-only education that makes him what I would call a Hindu fundamentalist?
Since he simply refused to go away from our column thread about a completely unrelated topic, and has demanded that we deal with me and my “Stephens College background”, let us deal with his issues here. Why did he not post his position on a weblog and refer those interested to its url, so that the main thread would not get hijacked? What does this tell us about such a person’s intellect and intentions?
Also, notice that he has adopted the screen-name “Platonist”, which is hardly Hindu. Should we go on his case unrelentingly that he is unqualified to speak for Indian traditions, because he suffers from an inferiority complex and has adopted western identities?
Each of us must play the hand as dealt to us, and neither try to undo the past (but focus on presently available choices) nor try to live someone else’s hand.
I have a heart condition, asthma since childhood, and various other conditions and must live accordingly. I had certain family circumstances and a certain sequence of experiences in my past and must understand what is suitable for me to do today, based on my SWOT analysis of myself. So if my parents sent me to a certain school/college and Platonist went to a different kind, we must each live today based on what’s best for each individual. This personalized dharma is called sva-dharma and is more sophisticated than the notion of standardized “commandments” for everyone.
Dharma is based on Vedic “rta” (patterns of reality) and cannot be translated as “law” (which is based on an external law-maker that is absent in authorless Vedas).
St Stephens College is past of my sanskara, as DAV is part of Platonist’s sanskara. The question is how well each of us is living today in accordance with our personalized sanskara and doing our best for the common good.
JFK said: ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. What has Platonist done for his culture which he says is so dear to him? Why does he not worry about that, rather than being obsessed about what I should or should not do? He is not my wife or parent, so why is he nitpicking about me?
If he was Donald Trump, he could be saying, “You’re fired!” and then he would simply move on to read other authors instead of me. That would be good for me. On the other hand, if I were Donald Trump, I would tell him, “You’re fired!” and tell him to get lost.
The point is that neither lives for the other person. Neither person is in bondage to the other. I left business life permanently in my mid 40s (a very unusual thing to do) to be free and let inspiration drive me. Why would I accept the bondage of so-called “followers” whom I did not select or accept, after having left the bondage of the job-business rat race? If I wanted to be measured/evaluated by others and forced to pursue “commitments” and to achieve “goals,” then why would I not be doing it in some lucrative business instead? Why would I pick a bunch of random individuals on Sulekha who have done little of their own on these causes and yet have massive expectations and even demands of me, and why would I make them the circle to be surrounded with?
I left behind ambitions – including politics, leadership of institutions and fan clubs. These are forms of bondage. So those who do not find me or my life or my work unacceptable do not have to hijack serious discussion threads. They merely have to abandon me and my writings I shall be most grateful to them.
Thanks for this opportunity to explain my side. I hope this will convince snipers to allow me and others to refocus, and to quit heckling on matters unrelated to a given column.
Regards,
Rajiv
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Dear Rajiv Malhotra,
You may be surprised to receive a comment after such a long period of passage from the date of your posting the blog. The reason simply is that I am a new comer to Blogging. I would like to exchange some of my views on the points raised by you in your blog.
Every religion has several faces:
1) RELIGION FOR THE MASSES: It comprises of Blind faiths, Rituals, and some fundamental religious disciplines to follow. There is not much of a need for scriptural knowledge to this category. For them God is the Giver, The Protector and the Destroyer. They need God’s support for their happy well-being, in the enjoyment of worldly pleasures and in the alleviation of worldly pains.
The temples inUSA that you have mentioned about and those who run them belong to this category.
2) RELIGION FOR THE FANATICS: Well you know very well what they are and who they are! I don’t think you will be interested in getting any assistance from them.
3) RELIGION FOR THE INTELLECTS: The scriptures are for them, they would like to study them, argue about them, find conflicting meanings to the Same Words and Phrases, establish different kinds of schools of philosophy and fight about their superiority. They are least interested in putting the theory they are familiar with into practice. They have no need for God. They
You seem to think that it is such an intellectual understanding of the religion that is very important for interaction with the advanced ‘scientific and intellectual’ western World.
4) RELIGION FOR THE EARNEST SEEKERS: These are the true seekers after the Supreme truth. They have gone through the pleasures and pains of the Worldly life (either in this birth or across several previous births and possess the accumulated ‘vasanas’) and by the strength of their experience, they are convinced of the impermanence of the World and about the existence of a Supreme Power. They know and they believe that by knowing THAT, all their doubts will vanish and all their sufferings will end.
In this group, there are again people with different mentalities, different tastes, and different capacity of assimilation. Some are extremely emotional and they go in their quest in the path of Bhakti (Bhakti Yoga). Some are intellectuals, who go by the path of Self Inquiry or by the contemplation of scriptures (Gnyana Yoga).
Like wise there are people who follow Raja Yoga (path of disciplined physical and spiritual Sadhanas) and Karma Yoga (the Path of selfless service to the society with the firm conviction that it is God who resides in every form of living being ). Again there may be mixture of these mentalities in different degrees. It means that almost all of the various facets of religion (including rituals, formal worship, singing of Gods’ Glory ..) which the intellectuals abhor are very much useful to them and the truth is that all these are actually meant to guide them to a higher plane in proper steps and none of them are really meant to be dismissed as totally useless.
Thus depending on their temperaments, these seekers may practice Rituals, sing hymns, do spiritual exercises, read Scriptures and so on. If they read scriptures, it will more for getting insight rather than to seek intellectual ego-satisfaction out of them. It is more for putting the theory into practice rather than for equipping themselves to preach and teach others or to enter into argument with others.
People of these categories look for help from God, they pray in all earnestness seeking proper guidance and the guidance comes to them in the form of Gurus/ Satgurus/ Avatars.
It should be noted that for an aspirant following the Path of Bakthi, scriptures will be of no use. By the strength of his deepest devotion, he may realize the supreme truth, without reading a single line of scriptures!
5) RELIGION OF THE MASTERS: God realized souls, Avatars, True Gnyanis, True Yogis, Paramahamsas, Mahatmas fall into this category. They are here for the sake of true seekers. They are here to guide the Seeker in a path most suited to his temperament. They are here to establish a balance amidst the conflicts of the earth. Incidentally, by virtue of their all pervading love, they help out the worldly people too, by removing their pains, by giving them their boons and by subduing the trouble-makers. Their words and deeds become standing examples of what the scriptures teach. They are the ones who can say by the authority of their personal experience that what the scriptures say are indeed true.
If you are eager to get meaningful support to your philanthropic activates in which you are engaged, it is this category of Mahatmas that you have to go and surrender. It is their blessings and divine guidance that you have to seek. More than that, if you are a true seeker yourself, then it is all the more important that you surrender to such a Satguru, by placing at his feet your accumulated ego as the Guru Dhakshina.
The Swamis of India about whom you seem to have developed a dislike may not fall into the last category. They may perhaps be at previous categories and may not be anyway better off than yourself !
If you want me to name one person who can help you – in all probability, with your spiritual moorings you would perhaps already know – it is Mata Amritanandamayi.
In the worst case where you have not developed faith in any living Mahatmas, I suggest you to read, re-read and re-re-read “The Gospel Of Sri Ramakrishna” (in case you have not done already). MOST OF THE IDEAS I HAVE GATHERED AND PRESENTED ABOVE ARE ACTUALLY GOT FROM SRI RAMAKRISHNA and definitely not my originals!
Please try.
With best regards,
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Flaws in Rajiv Malhotra's article on Evangelical Schooling
The above weblog which was written in response to Rajiv Malhotra's web log "The Westernized side of my Background" can be found in following link:
http://www.sulekha.com/weblogs/weblogdesc.asp?cid=13497
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Platonist
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Because most of the peoples have all ready made the decision to stop the posting of thier posts in the present matter, me decided to post one post for the last time only.
So me focussing on the venerated jesudas thomas bro's last but not the least comment. Here me go:
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First of all, Me giving the following notification not only to the one but also to the all:
"Me aint know good at bolding the letters; me aint no into soft ware or hard ware!. So me can not bold the 'jesus' word"
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Thomas bro,
You say that the all mighty jesus inspired you to support the truth coming from which ever source, to love and help the poor regardless of the religion in every part of the world, to support hindu brothers and sistars.
Very interesting bro. Good good, two good.
Among the above information, what is mistifying to me is that the fact that the Jesus has inspired you to support the hindu brothers and the sistars.
How and where and in what way?? Me asking the kochen you only.
But the fundamental and the most important thing is this:
----Did not the Jesus inspire you to ask your fellow evangelists not to convert hindus/ buddhists etc into the christianity by telling the lies, ridiculing their beliefs, their rituals?? Mistifying to the core!!
----Did not the Jesus inspire you to ask your fellow evangelists not to go door to door and ditribute papers, etc etc and say " only Jesus heals"
( Me asking this kochen only becasue my only sister was recently approached by the evangelist wearing the white bag in his right shoulder and frightening my sister that if she no convert to christianity, satan will create troubles to her in her exams. And also bad mouthing my sister's religion)
Truely mistifying bro!! --the Jesus inspires you to love everybody but not inspires to ask your fellow evangelists not to inter fear with the other religions.
If the inspiration is indeed true, then can we not call the Jesus a shelfish man?? Me again asking the kochen you only.
Very troubling kochens know bro?? Indeed. Hypocracy to the core. Me say.
Some peoples say: "lies, damn lies, statistics"
No, no. Those peoples are wrong to the core.
The write one is the following:
" lies, damn lies, christians"
Amen.
PS: Me aint know intention to hurt you physically or mentally. Me asked the kochens only to inspire you to think. If you feel the kochens have offended you, me asking to pardon me like the jesus christ before the hand only.
Thanking to you and worm rigards
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The problem with my Hindu buddies is apathy and not that they are overactive. The CNN petition spread awareness and many persons tell me that it was responsible for them to land on Sulekha and start overcoming their apathy and the all-is-well attitude. Whether it changed CNN or not, it changed thousands of desi bhais.
It inspired what Jesus already inspired me to do, that is support the truth coming from whichever source. Just as Jesus inspires me to love and help the poor regardless of their religion in every part of the world, so also he inspires me to support my Hindu brothers and sisters when they are being unfairly portrayed. I detest any attempts to mock at Ganesha's imagery and you have to admit that I am being better to Hinduism than your very own Vedantamized people, and also far more realistic and pragmatic than the infighters/whiners withing your own ranks.
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This is the ultimate saga of beating the dead horse.
Guys, wake up!!!
This is not post 9/11 scenario where everyone was charged up to sign for a petition against CNN. This whole petition saga against Washington Post is bound to fail, dont be in any illusion that it will reach another 60K in 60 days. And even the CNN petition did little to improve India's portrayal there.
The massive task of spreading the awareness is already done by dozens of sulekha columns.
The next logical step should be to help groom our own home teams of journalists and academicians who can project the India Inc.
How long will we continue to beat the dead horses of petitions and other silly endless arguments and rebuttals.
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Jesudas,
I saw your comment about lack of leadership and result-orientation in Hindus.
I 100% agree with your observation.
And I 100% agree with your comment about unimportance of temples.
And I quite agree with your remark about me.
But my intention was a bit different. I am highly appreciative of Rajiv's work. However, even Rajiv himself said that cause is more important than individuals. And cause can be better served if more and more people are awakened and motived to join the cause. 100s of Rajiv meant the simple thing that awareness should be created so that more people can join the cause.
I agree that its as much my responsibility as Rajiv's. I am not demanding anything more from Rajiv ; his contribution is already immense.
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"ha" gunye,
"Flawed" means devoid of truth, so other than your playing with words (and besides yourself) you have yet to utter much sense. The point is the same: you cannot simply claim a purva-paksha (or any proposition for that matter) is flawed w/o rhyme or reason, unless, of course, you are irrational and thats what postmodernism has provided you as a way to feel self esteem. You seem to agree that there is no sense in what you write. So why waste everyone's time. Go to the poetry section or jokes or coffeehouse.
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Some of you may recall from last week that the Hindu American Foundation was about to post a petition against Washington Post’s Hindu Phobia on Sulekha. This petition was then announced on RBC radio in the TriState area over the past weekend. Given that numerous people may be looking for the petition & wondering why it has still not appeared on Sulekha, it is important to clarify the reason for the delay. Sulekha has had second thoughts and have declined to post the petition at Sulekha. The reason for the refusal is
“because there have been numerous instances where people think Sulekha is pushing and advocating the petition. We are particularly wary of being seen as taking sides on such senstive matters related to religion. Publishing articles, particularly from both points of view, is seen as being neutral, running a petition will be deemed as advocating a particular point.”
To be fair, Sulekha has agreed to provide a link from Sulekha to the site where the petition will be soon be appearing. Please do keep coming back to Sulekha to find the link to the petition.
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