Washington Post and Hinduphobia

Apr 20 2004  | Views 24689 |  Comments  (153)
In our world of constant change, many entrenched paradigms and worldviews are being challenged by marginalized voices. As a patriotic American, I consider these healthy debates as another stage in the series of progressive movements, like civil rights, feminism, gay rights and other movements that started as underdogs and outsiders to the established power structure and had to battle at great expense for... Expand

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  Sankrant posted 4 yrs ago

Posted in response to Shankar:
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Shankar,

While your article tries to be fair by presenting "both sides" you have to recognize that it is ultimately not fair or balanced because it uses the overall framing that one side has been trying to push.

From my point of view the issue has always been about truth, balance, fairness and academic integrity. This is exactly what my original article on Sulekha about Encarta pointed out.

Doniger and her .. have attempted to frame this issue, quite unreasonably and disproportionately, imho, as one of "violence", "wrath" and so on, as opposed to serious questions about the nature of their scholarship.

As it turns out, the only "violence" Doniger has encountered is an egg thrown in her direction that missed. I doubt it would have bruised anything other than her ego even if it had hit. Courtright's claims of "death threats" are also vastly overblown. In any internet forum with 50,000 messages posted anonymously you'll always find a few loonies write stupid things that they have neither the means or intent to carry out. No one knows who posted those messages. It is simply meaningless.

Yet you have chosen to present these internet posts as facts. Your article states "(Courtright) has received threats from Hindu militants who want him dead."

Did you verify that it was Hindu militants who were threatening Courtright? Did you do a trace on the internet addresses of the posters and try to verify their identities? Did you interview them to find out whether they actually wanted him dead or were just blowing off steam? No, you simply presented Courtright's assertions as editorial truth.

You picked incidents in India entirely unrelated to the academic satyagraha that Rajiv has been leading here and co-presented that as the "violence" to bolster the academic's claim here. So Sambhaji Brigade attacks BORI because of the internal caste-based politics of Maharashtra -- and that incident is used to bolster Courtright's unsupported claims of "violence." The entire framing and title of the article is used to conflate these separate issues in a misleading and dishonest way.

I had specifically warned against conflating these issues when you interviewed me, knowing how that is being used by the academics here who are refusing to acknowledge the biases in their scholarship. You chose to follow the academic's agenda instead.

So MSNBC headline goes: "U.S. scholars’ writings inspire hatred in India: Hostility has ranged from tossed eggs to prosecution"

This article is primarily about Courtright or Doniger's writing. What "hatred" have they inspired in India and what "prosecution" have they faced?

Similarly, the Washington Post article is titled "Wrath Over a Hindu God:
U.S. Scholars' Writings Draw Threats From Faithful."

So all of the laborious academic crticism that Rajiv and I have been doing can merely be reduced to "wrath" and "threats." A better headline couldn't be conceived to represent their pov if Doniger and Courtright had done it themselves.

Since Doniger wants to frame this issue as an issue of violence:

"Malhotra's ignorant writings have stirred up more passionate emotions in Internet subscribers who know even less than Malhotra does, who do not read books at all," Doniger wrote in an e-mail. "And these people have reacted with violence. I therefore hold him indirectly responsible."

Pray, exactly what great "violence" is Doniger suggesting the result of Rajiv's writings? Knowing, of course, that this slant on "violence" is unsupportable and overblown in the context of the actual controversy over Doniger and Courtright's writings here in the US (not in India), you helpfully and gratuitously find other instances of violence (in India), completely unrelated to the issues that Rajiv or I have espoused, to advance her case.


"In January, a book about the Hindu king Shivaji by Macalester College religious studies professor James W. Laine provoked violent outbursts: One of Laine's collaborators in India was assaulted, and a mob destroyed rare manuscripts at an institute in India where Laine had done research."

In other words, the entire slant of your article follows the Doniger line. Quotes from "the other side" are included simply to give the appearance of balance -- but the editorial line is completely one-sided. This is not called a fair and balanced piece.

Which is a pity because you worked very hard on this piece and may, at one time, have even wanted to be fair and even-handed. However, you have to realize that your final article comes off as anything but that. Whether this was as the result of editorial choices directed by others, or your own awareness of which side the bread is buttered, is between you and your conscience to figure out.



  India Lover posted 4 yrs ago

ATTN SULEKHA:

Please note that the reader counter reached upto 5522 and stopped after Vedantam's response appeared.



  Vishnu T. S. posted 4 yrs ago

Killer guy...

Pls. desist from personal remarks... if you have something valuable to add to the discussion you are welcome... you have no right to pass personal remarks or judgements on others...



  hebbs posted 4 yrs ago

Killer guy,

I dont think it is appropriate to indulge in this kind personal attacks on Manjari Ji.

It is one thing to attack her views, may some time make fun of her views, but this is not good.



  ManjariV posted 4 yrs ago

Folks,

I was very polite with you, when I requested you to stop discussing the issues I set forth. Instead of politely highlighting the discrepancies, you have as usual resorted to allegations, insults and ridicule. Apologies, but, I do not take unfair criticism lying down.

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You don’t know what a paradigm is, to begin with. People don’t define one paradigm with another. And this comes from you who said that you manage research and researchers! Your idea is right but you completely messed up in putting across your idea.

For India (A person, afraid of exposing his/her identity)

The meaning of paradigm.

Par´a`digm
Noun 1. paradigm - systematic arrangement of all the inflected forms of a word
inflection, inflexion - a change in the form of a word (usually by adding a suffix) to indicate a change in its grammatical function

2. paradigm - a standard or typical example; "he is the prototype of good breeding"; "he provided America with an image of the good father"
epitome, prototype, image
example, model - a representative form or pattern; "I profited from his example"
concentrate - a concentrated example; "the concentrate of contemporary despair"
imago - (psychoanalysis) an idealized image of someone (usually a parent) formed in childhood

3. paradigm - the class of all items that can be substituted into the same position (or slot) in a grammatical sentence (are in paradigmatic relation with one another)
substitution class
category, class, family - a collection of things sharing a common attribute; "there are two classes of detergents"

4. paradigm - the generally accepted perspective of a particular discipline at a given time; "he framed the problem within the psychoanalytic paradigm" perspective, view, position - a way of regarding situations or topics etc.; "consider what follows from the positivist




  Kalyan Sundaram posted 4 yrs ago

I came across the following excerpt from the course outline for Hindu Tradition, taught in Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas by C. Mackenzie Brown, and thought I would share it with Sulekha readers. Link to the full course outline is:
http://www.trinity.edu/mbrown/HinduTradition2004/CourseOutline-PartOne.htm

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13. [Friday, February 13] Discussion day! The Psychoanalysis of Ganeśa, and of Cultures South Asian and American

In 150-250 words, word-processed on no more than one sheet, please respond to questions 3 and 12:
On Courtright's Ganesha:

1. What is Courtright's rationale for undertaking a psychoanalytical approach, in chapter 3 of his book, to the mythology of Ganesha?

2. What are some of the basic assumptions of the psychoanalytical approach, as manifested in Courtright's analysis of the Ganesha mythology?

3. How can one explain the particular events and the nature of the relationships between Parvati and Shiva? Between Parvati and Ganesha? Between Ganesha and Shiva? Were these events actual "historical" occurrences? If so, why are there so many different versions of the myths? If not, then what sort of explanation(s) might make sense?

4. How comfortable, or uncomfortable, are you with Courtright's psychoanalytical interpretations? Why? Would you be any more or less comfortable with a similar psychoanalytical interpretation of Christian myths about Jesus, his father, and his mother Mary?

On the Rajiva Malhotra article, "Limp Scholarship and Demonology (read sections I-VII).

5. What are the main charges that Rajiv Malhotra makes against the Western academy in its scholarship on India and Hinduism?

6. What is Malhotra’s stance towards the petition against Courtright’s book? Is he concerned about Hindu feelings being hurt?

7. What is Malhotra’s stance towards (many) scholars?

8. What seem to be the criteria Malhotra is using for determining whether or not a theory is valid or authentic? What criteria do western scholars use, according to Nalhotra?

9. What is the “asymmetry of power” that Malhotra talks about? What are the implications of this for scholars like your instructor who may acknowledge the asymmetry—especially in the recent historical past—but who must publish in their specialty (South Asian Religions) to gain tenure, promotion, and so forth?

10. What seems to be the nature of RISA scholarship, in Malhotra’s view? (RISA = Religion in South Asia group of the American Academy of Religion, to which your instructor has belonged for over thirty years. RISA-L = the RISA listserve, on which many issues are discussed and queries between scholars exchanged, only some of which deal with Courtright’s book [although a lot dealt with it last October])

11. What are the main points made by Prof. Antonio De Nicolas? How would Christians react to a psychoanalytical interpretation of Genesis?

12. Is a psychoanalytical approach a legitimate, or illegitimate approach in the study of religion? To what extent, if any, is an approach acceptable if it goes against the interpretations of insiders?

13. Why was the Courtright book reprinted in India?

14. What are the pros and cons of the discussed boycott of Motilal Banarsidass?

15. How does the control of the “academic distribution channels on Indic religions” relate to issues of academic freedom?

16. What are the strengths and weaknesses of “peer review” as a criterion for “good scholarship”?
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I think this is strong evidence of the inroads that Rajiv Malhotra has made in academia. Overall though, the course is basically not about Hinduism per se, but components of Hinduism that fascinates western scholars. The two modern books discussed in the course are by Courtright and Doniger, although there is no critique of Doniger's book included.

Kalyan



  Rajiv Malhotra posted 4 yrs ago

Sreekanth, agreeing with you that there needs to be a call to action:

Read my earlier comment of today explaining the 4-stage satyagraha. We are in awareness building stage, as we have very little awareness of these issues today and too many sepoys gunning against us. But as the comment by bilandar indicates, there is a groundswell of awareness already, although in very limited circles as of now. So these matters must be brought to wider attention and that is the best thing someone like you could do. Talk to others, get them to read alternative views from what the mainstream dishes out, make summaries of the issues as you believe them and publish, etc.

Also, someone posted here that a new group is planning a petition against the Washington Post, asking them to give our side equal coverage to get our position properly explained. That will build further awareness.

There is only so much any one man could do. I am doing what I can to identify and research the issues from a fresh perspective, to articulate them howsoever I can, to engage opponents with an open mind and to re-formulate and refine my views constantly. It is up to others to take this further than that.

Please note that none of the swamis are of any help as they are ignorant of the kshetra out there – the intellectual theater is dominated by western thought. Our debating tradition requires a purva-paksha of the other side, but our swamis lack the capability. To understand western thought in order to build a purva-paksha and then be able to engage it, one has to learn three strains of western thought: Judeo-Christianity, Enlightenment, and Post-Enlightenment. I have not come across a single swami who has done this, much less a group that could match what the other side has achieved in studying our traditions thoroughly and building their critiques of it.

At the same time, the so-called Indian/Hindu community “leaders” are mainly about achieving celebrity status and public displays, but lack basics of strategic thinking or analysis. They do not even know what the issues are, so they bark up the wrong trees.

None of this is my fault, as this is the result of decades of neglect by the leaders of the traditions. Many in fact got appropriated. So it won’t get resolved fast, and the worrisome question is whether we can last long enough.

Bottom line: don’t have unreasonable expectations of me. Get involved and do something serious and dharmic.

Regards,

Rajiv



  Mary Hicks posted 4 yrs ago

ManjariV's multiple posts actually make a valuable contribution to the discussion. Because of their lack of clarity or logic, they can easily be deconstructed; it affords the opportunity to ascertain what is being said, to identify the nature of the premise and tactic used, and to practice the formulation of an on-topic, incisive response.

Mary