Washington Post and Hinduphobia

Apr 20 2004  | Views 24691 |  Comments  (153)
In our world of constant change, many entrenched paradigms and worldviews are being challenged by marginalized voices. As a patriotic American, I consider these healthy debates as another stage in the series of progressive movements, like civil rights, feminism, gay rights and other movements that started as underdogs and outsiders to the established power structure and had to battle at great expense for... Expand

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  Rajiv Malhotra posted 4 yrs ago

THE 4-STAGE SATYAGRAHA:

There is a quote attributed to Gandhi which explains the stages of satyagraha, something along the following lines: First they will ignore you. Then they will attack you. Then they will dialog/debate you. Then you will win.

We have now entered stage 2 – being attacked by the academic establishment. Previously, we were ignored, as that was their best strategy. That is always how the outsider is treated when s/he wants to unseat an incumbent who enjoys overwhelming power. The incumbent has no reason to debate or even acknowledge the challenger, as that would help raise the level of awareness/importance of the challenger and make him seem more credible.

But eventually, awareness grows beyond a certain threshold, and it is no longer possible to ignore the challenger. So the system’s reaction is anger. This is stage 2, where we are at this point. In our satyagraha, this dirty work has been outsourced by the system to Indians, especially those in the humanities academics and in journalism.

For these outsourced workers, i.e. the sepoys, it is much needed employment and credibility, because they are usually not the shiners who are already secure in their identities. As whiners, they have less to lose and are jealous of the success of others. The system has invested in massive intellectual assets via decades of scholarship about things that are divisive in Indian society, so as to prepare “victim” identities among segments of Indian whiners. The whiners are in the millions, and they are nurtured as sleeper cells. A few get recruited as active sepoys.

Now the challenger(s) must be more careful of what they say, as they are being widely read.

If the challengers (i.e. the satyagrahis) are persistent and thoughtful in what they say (which especially means avoiding any careless statements that may be (mis)construed as threats), then it would force the incumbents of power to engage in fair dialog. That will be stage 3.

Eventually, sat (truth) does prevail, although along the way the truth will piss-off many who feel threatened by it. Once there is honest dialog (stage), even the incumbent ends up changing, because the new equilibrium is better for society at large.

This process must be explained to sepoys, so they understand that they are doing idol worship of “false gods” of the academy.

Regards,

Rajiv



  asuph posted 4 yrs ago

Rajiv, another invalueable piece. If u ever have doubts as to whether your writing has made dents into Indians from the *so-called* opposing camp, I can assure you you've shaken the beliefs of many, if not outright converted them (like myself).



  vaidix posted 4 yrs ago

Si Gu,

>Don't be hypercritical. Take Vedatntam's word for it: Courtright neither >saw nor approved the cover.

It doesn't matter if Courtright saw or approved the cover. From what Mercantile law says: It is enough if he made money on the book.

BTW, I support daring news papers like Washington Post who go to any extent allowing publication of op-eds that zealously guard the academic freedom they so highly cherish. I am exactly looking for a news paper like WP to support and actively sponsor my future ventures (I only wish I had the academic credentials like those Courtright has!) I don't want to reveal too much, otherwise some one at Emory may steal my idea.. I have been seriously working for years on application of Freudian analysis to a gesture people make to represent cross on their body, moving their hand on either side of chest, and up and down. Does this gesture have any sexual connotation? Never mind that there is no textual evidence of such possibility.. but what stops any one from taking up this topic for a Ph.D in a reputed US university? Any juicy cover page designs available that I can feign ignorance of?

Bhadraiah



  Kashmiri Kaffir posted 4 yrs ago

>>Is Paul Courtright a trained psychoanalyst? How do we know he is using psychoanalysis properly?

NO ONE in psychiatry uses Freudian psychoanalysis anymore. No psychiatrist (even in Vienna) who's been to medical school in the past 60 years would even consider using something as useless as this. Essentially Courtright is using an outdated tool rooted in the assumptions specific to its culture and time to analyze the current situation of a different culture which originated halfway around the world.

It's like trying using a cotton ginny to make a laser.

Applying Freud to 'psychoanalyze' the Hindu religion is foolishness. Having this done by people who've learned their psychiatry from the intellectual onanists that pass for 'South Asian scholars' in American universities is appalling.



  navy blue posted 4 yrs ago

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  BubbaBean posted 4 yrs ago

More on the Circus: Ooo! Is this deep or what?

"I inadvertently, ran into this embroglio, during my work break, and did not realise the impact of my writings."

Good of you to let us all see the quality of thinking and general intellect encountered during a typical workday at your "research" institution. The rest of us have "coffee breaks" or "potty breaks" etc. I assume that by "work break" you mean the brief periods of work between extended cud-chewing, coffee-drinking, potty-sitting, psychoanalysis or other ruminations???

Its the "impact" part that is truly profound. We really need that "rolling-on-the-floor" icon here at Sulekha. Mere words cannot express one's reactions to ManjariV's posts - I mean the sheer IMPACT!!

Trust me, dear readers, this is all very relevant. As Perry Mason might say, Your Honner, this goes to showing mental state (or lack thereof) and bias - of the South Asia "scholars".

"Work break" indeed!!! :)



  forindia posted 4 yrs ago

Manjari,

Your writing is somewhat similar to a small boy repeatedly pulling the trigger of a toy gun which makes toosh, toosh toosh sounds but does nothing because there are no bullets in the toy gun. You have written something but which doesnot cntain much substance. In fact you don’t even understand what you have written. For instance,

You said(1) “What I find wrong with the strategy employed by RM and SS is that, they use western paradigms to define eastern ones. Simply doesn't work mate”

You don’t know what a paradigm is, to begin with. People don’t define one paradigm with another. And this comes from you who said that you manage research and researchers! Your idea is right but you completely messed up in putting across your idea.

You said (2): “Paul Courtright and Wendy Doniger, have used their paradigms, to reach certain conclusions.”

If what you said in (1) is right, then Courtright and Doniger cannot evaluate anything about Hinduism or Hindu gods because they are working with in the framework of Western paradigm where as Hinduism/ Hindu gods must be viewed from an Eastern Paradigm. So Courtright and Doniger cannot come to any conclusions at all!

Actually this is what scholars who believe in Relativism argue: that it is difficult to evaluate truth in two different paradigms because one paradigm is isolated from another paradigm like two different islands are separated from one another.

Indeed, if you really believe in what you said, you must be one of the foremost critics of the Scholarship of Courtright and Doniger.


PS: looks like you hit upon the arguments about ‘power asymmetry’ in your dream and got enthused as if you have dreamt something as significant as Kekule’s Benzene rings; then suddenly jumped near the key board and typed all this gibberish in the rectangular box and pressed the go button, without evaluating what actually you have written. Next time, please first type on a word document, take a print out and read it several times, and then post it after evaluating whether it is worth posting. Thank you.



  hebbs posted 4 yrs ago

I believe it is a good idea to understand several dimensions of psychoanalysis for some of us atleast, here is alink


http://skepdic.com/psychoan.html

search for fraud and psychoanalysis on google!!



  Alice Thomas posted 4 yrs ago

"did not realise that my web page I created hastily for a lab assignment "

Manjari,
A person creates a web page to share informations with others worldwide. Anybody can do a google search and get those info anyways. So, what's the big deal if someone post the link in sulekha?
Alice



  Alice Thomas posted 4 yrs ago

"My only point was that, RM and SS should focus on academic freedoms of religious study academics"

Manjari,
Can you please explain what you mean by this statement? (particularly **focus on academic freedoms of religious study academics***")
I don't want to guess!!

Alice.