Washington Post and Hinduphobia

Apr 20 2004  | Views 24692 |  Comments  (153)
In our world of constant change, many entrenched paradigms and worldviews are being challenged by marginalized voices. As a patriotic American, I consider these healthy debates as another stage in the series of progressive movements, like civil rights, feminism, gay rights and other movements that started as underdogs and outsiders to the established power structure and had to battle at great expense for... Expand

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  ManjariV posted 4 yrs ago

Please, please, stop arguing about my points, and get back to the discussion. I have enough blame to carry, reg "hijacking". I reiterate, I don't want to hijack any discussion. Absurd it may sound, I need at the very least a vague closure, reg this whole issue.
I inadvertently, ran into this embroglio, during my work break, and did not realise the impact of my writings. Sorry, if I caused any one hurt or harm feelings.

Heck, I did not realise that my web page I created hastily for a lab assignment will be splashed all across Sulekha. I never wanted any of this mess. I do want India to be the best country in the world. Our ideas differ, as to what will make India the best.

Please stop discussing my issues and get on with the discussion.


Regards.

Manju.



  hebbs posted 4 yrs ago

For the benefit of people wondering what this psychoanalysis is all about.

Click on this link:or cut and paste

http://www.city.londonmet.ac.uk/~rhodes/so272(2)/Keypoints/Kp%20week02.pdf

Caution: it is very graphic!



  hebbs posted 4 yrs ago

Guys,

all of you falling for the trap!!!!

Manjari has used this arguments before.

1. Psychonanalysis is the correct tool
2. GO back and do your work in INdia
3. There is no discrimination in RISA list.
4. Wendy loves Hinduism/Indias
......

Please before you post anything here in response to Manjari's points go back and read the comments on Rajiv's earlier articles and get familiar with her tactics.



  gangp posted 4 yrs ago

"Paul's analysis of Ganesh using psycho-analysis, and Oedipal complexes sound very gross to outsiders like us. But, please consider the fact that, psychoanalyis is being currently used in religious studies."

Is Paul Courtright a trained psychoanalyst? How do we know he is using psychoanalysis properly?



  JohnnyWalker posted 4 yrs ago

"What I find wrong with the strategy employed by RM and SS is that, they use western paradigms to define eastern ones. Simply doesn't work mate! Paul Courtright and Wendy Doniger (as gross it might seem, to pious hindus), have used their paradigms, to reach certain conclusions. They have inherently built higher power, to reach these conclusions without fear. If RM and SS need to get power symmetry, they should fight this misrepresentation at their home turf, which is India. It cannot be US, until we have a major Indian political representation. "

This is an absurd argument for an artificial divide. Kipling's theory died with him. Are you really trying to say that the western "power stucture" as defined by Courtright and Doniger does not feed into, if not create, the academic "power structure" in India?? First of all, the web and other forms of tech have cut down the East-West barrier. Second, unfortunately, not all the Indian 'sepoys' have stayed back in the West and have gone and mudied the waters in India and created alliances with other like-minded souls there and in the West. Third, even the Indians who largely studied and worked in India have been influenced by Marxist and other western 'paradigms' and use them to negate all things Hindu and most things Indian. Fourth, western academics are utilized by western govts, prominent journalists and evangelical organiztions who then base their strategies on those inputs.

The net result is that enormous power from the West influences what India (and other countries) and Indians think and react or should think and should react. There is absolutely no ideal strategy on how to combat this and far from what you say fighting it in the US might actually be a better solution and a faster one insteading of waiting for Indian thinking from India to permeate the West. Moreover, the best solution is always to fight the source of the problem not the symptom.



  India Lover posted 4 yrs ago

Manjari writes:
"
psychoanalyis is being currently used in religious studies.

Freudian analysis was once upon a time considered a valid method, especially during the time of paul writing this book.
"

Could you please provide some examples from Islam, Judaism and Xtianity where these methods are used. Or these methods work only on Hinduism and specifically on Ganesha?

Thanks!



  ManjariV posted 4 yrs ago

Don't want to hijack the thread. So, will be brief, and the like minded guys continue this valuable discussion.

Bubba Bean,

Paul's analysis of Ganesh using psycho-analysis, and Oedipal complexes sound very gross to outsiders like us. But, please consider the fact that, psychoanalyis is being currently used in religious studies.

Freudian analysis was once upon a time considered a valid method, especially during the time of paul writing this book.

My only point was that, RM and SS should focus on academic freedoms of religious study academics.

Sorry, if you did not get the point.

Regards.

Continue the discussion



  realist posted 4 yrs ago

Bubba,

You are wasting your breath. Agree with you entirely about the circus part.



  BubbaBean posted 4 yrs ago

The great thing about such a "discussion" is that one learns something new every day. For example, take this gem of wisdom from the Expert Researcher and Manager of Researchers, ManjariV:

"What I find wrong with the strategy employed by RM and SS is that, they use western paradigms to define eastern ones. Simply doesn't work mate! Paul Courtright and Wendy Doniger (as gross it might seem, to pious hindus), have used their paradigms, to reach certain conclusions. They have inherently built higher power, to reach these conclusions without fear. If RM and SS need to get power symmetry, they should fight this misrepresentation at their home turf, which is India. It cannot be US, until we have a major Indian political representation. "

Let me see:

1. In the West, it is standard practice for mothers to hand out vaginas to children every time they answer a question right? (Courtright interpretation of Parvati giving a mango to Ganesa). Is this standard practice at University of Alabama, Birmingham, at research group meetings too?

2. In the West, it is standard practice for "researchers" and "reseach managers" to conclude that, say, if a student carries a candy bar to a research meeting, that student is "asking for" oral sex? (Again, citing Courtright's "western pair o'dimes" interpretation) THIS is what goes on at University of Alabama, Birmingham?

3. Rajiv and all others upset about pornographic abuse against Hinduism are Indians - not American citizens?

4. Hindus in America should "take their proper place" of having no basic rights? They have to "go back where they came from" to India, to get any hearing on grievances?

This is what I absolutely love about the posts by Manjari V - Arundhati Roy. Its better than watching the circus for sheer entertainment.



  Aseem Shukla posted 4 yrs ago

Many people posting here are expressing anger and frustration over how Hindus and their beliefs are being unfairly represented by the media and academia. There is an overwhelming sense that Hindu Americans need a strong and unified voice to defend and protect our rights. We are happy to report that an organization is being created for that very purpose--to give Hindus a voice called the Hindu American Foundation [HAF]. HAF will launch soon and has already embarked on several projects that would be of great interest to the Hindu American community. HAF is putting together a petition that will be posted here, on Sulekha, to harness the momentum of this moment, thanks to Rajiv Malhotra, and translate it into concrete action. Please contact HAF directly at www.hinduamericanfoundation.org to learn more.





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