Washington Post and Hinduphobia

Apr 20 2004  | Views 24694 |  Comments  (153)
In our world of constant change, many entrenched paradigms and worldviews are being challenged by marginalized voices. As a patriotic American, I consider these healthy debates as another stage in the series of progressive movements, like civil rights, feminism, gay rights and other movements that started as underdogs and outsiders to the established power structure and had to battle at great expense for... Expand

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  sri posted 4 yrs ago

"Ethnic shame" is perhaps summing up the whole controversy in one label...

While it is rather distressing to see small voices of sanity being drowned in rather crude attacks and labelings, this might actually be the beginning of the end for all the unfounded biases in the Western mindset.

Just like any other social evil, these biases have been propagated without opposition for centuries and an unexpected voice of reason amidst this has suddenly startled the cartel. The kind of responses (about last name not being "Sharma" etc) and personal attacks only show that these are knee-jerk reactions. The community has been completely taken by surprise by a simple voice of reason. That is what Gandhi's satyagraha did several decades ago.

Exotic curries and snake charmers have suddenly been replaced by professionals who are no longer "quaint" and who no longer placidly accept prejudices against themselves.

The responses only goes to show the sophistication (or the lack of it) of the cartel, or should I say western society in general? Somehow, the cultural moorings in the west seem to be based on a fundamental question of "How to win?" rather than "What is everything?" that has exemplified Indian thought through the ages.

Faced with an adversary having an opposing view, the society there seems to first move in the direction of how to vanquish the adversary (and his ideas), rather than trying to understand the adversary's point of view leading to collective introspection.

Which is what is most troubling...



  India Lover posted 4 yrs ago

Joyce Flueckiger is teaching Intro to Hinduism in Fall 2004
http://www.emory.edu/COLLEGE/RELIGION/courses/atlas/fall2004.html

REL 100: Introduction to Religions: Hinduism and Judaism

Content: Introduction to basic questions and categories with which to approach the study of religion through examination of two religious traditions: Judaism and Hinduism. We will first inspect each religious tradition briefly but intensively through major categories of understanding articulated within each tradition, and then broaden our questioning to consider both similarities and differences between these indigenous categories, and what it means to study a tradition from outside of it.

Texts:

The Bhagavad Gita, tr. W. J. Johnson
Diana Eck, Darsan: Seeing the Divine Image in India
Vasudha Narayanan, The Hindu Traditions: An Introduction



  BubbaBean posted 4 yrs ago

Not surprising, but disappointing. Shri Patel (I hope I do not offend by using a Hindu term of respect) chooses not to respond to detailed questions, but provides the Party Line:

"1. I cannot attest to Courtright's persona in class since i have not taken a class with him (although I have read his works).

2.On the opinion of his book, On the whole, it is well written and provides interesting ways of thinking about things intellecutally - however - this does NOT mean that I agree with everything he has to say.
"

OK, this is someone who claims to have attended this Methodist school for 4 years at least. (incidentally, see website www.emory.edu for clarification on whether Emory considers ITSELF to be of Methodist roots or not). He is so expert on Dr. Flueckiger's writings that he sneers at Rajiv Malhotra. He claims to have read Courtright's book. BUT... he claims to have not had any curiosity to find out more about Courtright.

This fits my perception of the level of intellectual honesty at Emory's School of Bigotry and Child Pornography, perfectly.

One problem here is that Shri Patel's posts appear to be amazingly reflective (that Humanitese for "parrotive") of Dr. Flueckiger's own remarks. It is clear that he was supremely attentive in her classes to have got the thinking and the exact words SOOOO exact. If from the above you gather that I too have been privileged to receive the same wisdom from Dr. F., u r rite on da money - though I fear that it did not produce the same converting influence on me that it did on Shri Patel.

So, above, Shri Patel claims to have read the Courtright book - but, in the best South Asian traditions, sidesteps the issue of interest.

"this does NOT mean that I agree with everything he has to say."


Ah! A statement in the best weasel-word traditions. As opposed to Dr. F., which whom he agrees in EVERYTHING she has to say. Even before she says it, I presume?

Perhaps from this one might see why some of us have little respect for the so-called "education" imparted in the Emory School of Child Pornography? They don't require, nor do they teach, people to tell the truth, so it is an utter waste of time to read their words.

Since my questions were specifically about Courtright's pornographic writings, and his blatant peddling of child pornography and hate against Hinduism, and Shri Patel has certainly not come out against any of those despite reading the book, which he considers "on the whole, well-written", the conclusions are clear.

Let me congratulate Mr. Patel for being such a good student (and now alumnus). Dr. Flueckiger could not have expressed her opinions in clearer, or more acurate detail than he has expressed hers.

And again, desi parents, etc. DO you want MORE desi students go into these schools, at $40K/yr? Isn't the Binori Madarssa a lot cheaper, and more "international" and "cosmopolitan"? At least, I bet they don't allow child pornography in their TEXTBOOKS, hey?



  hamir posted 4 yrs ago

Sankrant,

Since Rajiv has asked that the issue I had raised not be discussed at all, I will follow that advice except to say a few things:

"This tactic is very fruitfully used *by* the power structure -- and the so-called "dalit intellectuals" are often paraded about by evangelical groups."

I understand that the establishment may use some Dalit intellectuals in ways that are self-serving etc. But I also find that by and large these intellectuals do have things of importance to say, most often from the perspective of lived reality in India, while other perceptions of India and Hinduism are often different/idealized/sanitized so that it becomes easy to dismiss these uncomfortable voices by linking them with evangelical groups, "brown sahibs" etc etc.
I feel that these dismissed voices do need to be included in the discourse on Hinduism, and any attempt to emphasize their existence is not automatically a strategy to "hit and run", imho.

I have no idea what Rupa claims etc. and ofcourse all voices need to be included. Your argument that a person's caste cannot be used to judge the veracity or substance of their thought, is well-taken. This is what the anti-caste movement fundamentally stands for, not for the identity-politics that it has turned into.

Ill be happy to continue the discussion back-channel.

Best wishes.



  Rajiv Malhotra posted 4 yrs ago

Let's keep the discussion relevant, please:

I agree with Sankrant that any and every serious discussion about Hinduism and Indian culture tends to get derailed using certain 'silver bullets', such as:

1) Dalits and caste issues.
2) Gender issues.
3) Religious violence.
4) Latest political scandals.

Many Hindus foolishly take the bait and go charging after the detraction, thereby losing the issue that it took so hard to put on the table and get serious attention.

When one's case is strong, why would one become scatter-brained and lose sight of it.

The case presented in this column is about academic and media bias that produces Hinduphobia, and the role of Indian sepoys in this project. Those who divert the comments to unrelated matters hurt the purpose of the discussion. Yes, there are many problems facing the world, our own Hindu culture included, but each problem deserves its analysis and discussion. There are plenty of other articles on Sulekha about caste, SC/ST, dalits, gender, violence, etc. and there is no reason to turn this into those topics.

Regards,

Rajiv



  Sankrant posted 4 yrs ago

Hamir,

As I pointed out earlier in my response to Rupa, this insertion of "dalit" in any discussion of Hinduism is a mere tactic to subvert discussion of any institutional bias. This tactic is very fruitfully used *by* the power structure -- and the so-called "dalit intellectuals" are often paraded about by evangelical groups.

We are talking about representation of Hinduism in the US. If as Rupa claims most of the Hindus in the US are "non-dalit" and so the latter are inadequately represented this begs a primary question -- are these "non-dalit" American Hindus entitled to have a representation and discussion on *their* experience of Hinduism reflected in the academy? Or must any claim to representation be subverted by -- oh what about the dalits?

Since the same formula can also be applied to deny anyone a voice? There is no singular "dalit" community. There are upper-castes and lower castes within dalits as well with their own hierarchy of behaviors. What if that fact was used to undermine and de-legitimize anyone in India who is trying to put forth a dalit perspective? What if everytime a dalit tries to speak the others were to say that this dalit is actually an upper-caste dalit elite, well fed on a class I government job, so is really not entitled to speak for dalits i.e. those who can speak out, can't. Would you support that?

So what happens when a much more powerful institutional structure and power, aided and abetted by well-trained performing Brown Sahibs, does that to Hindus here that speak out?

This discussion has absolutely zero, zilch, nada to do with whether or not some Hindus have oppressed some "dalits" in a village somewhere in India. That has nothing at all to do with whether Courtright's thesis that Ganesh's trunk is a limp phallus is legitimate scholarship or whether Doniger's sexual fantasies are a legitimate lens to view Hindu texts. To bring random "dalit representation" in is a hit-and-run tactic which is intellectually dishonest.



  V Patel posted 4 yrs ago

Dear Sankrant,

1. I cannot attest to Courtright's persona in class since i have not taken a class with him (although I have read his works).

2.On the opinion of his book, On the whole, it is well written and provides interesting ways of thinking about things intellecutally - however - this does NOT mean that I agree with everything he has to say.

3. You probably know better than me about the state of Humanities' education in India - and it is refreshing to hear that you would be supportive if your children chose to have a career in the Humanities. However, the reality of this all is that most parents are not supportive in that they would strongly prefer their kids do something else (this stems from their concern about our well being obvisouly, but they need to realize it's not always necessarily the best thing).
(In case you're wondering, I am not in the humanities field - primarily because I don't consider myself talented in that area to be able to excel).

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Posted by Sankrant on Apr 21, 2004

Viraj,
I'd also be interested in finding out whether Courtright's class persona is the same as you have described for Prof F.? What is your opinion about his work?

Finally, the question of how our relationship with arts has withered away is an important one. I believe the genesis of this lies in the last 100+ yeasr of education in India.

Traditionally, arts, music, culture, philosophy have been an intrinsic part of our education. However, someone like me in India who was very interested in the humanities chose to take engineering because (1) the state of humanities education in India is *pathetic* -- it is completely insular and Europeanized with no relationship to the living culture. (2) As a result of this career options for the arts have traditionally been limited.

I think Indian parents moving here bring those values with them. However, i for one would be delighted if my kids chose to pursue careers in the humanities.



  aussieind posted 4 yrs ago

Thanks mate for the excellant article...

What caught my eyes most was the phrase "Ethinic shame"... Well me & my wife identified this 2-3 yrs back when we first came to Aus & interacted with Indian-Aussies who have been here for a long time...

While I was proud of my country, I found these older people being derisive in their impressions... This was discussed when we came home & we identified it as a possible shamefulness in the older guys on their being Indian...

For ex: While I knew we had poverty in India, I also knew there was poverty /homelessness in Oz... so I did not feel any shame as my context was clear...

Ur article illustrates the chain of thoughts/events that has led to the situation being what it is...

Thank You again for th informative thoughts



  V Patel posted 4 yrs ago

This comment is in response to Vishal Agarwal's posting -

if you read my posting, you'll see that I am not defending courtright's book on that matter - but another professor's on a completely different and unrelated topic. Just for clarification.

viraj